Mavis Gragg graduated from UNC-Chapel Hill and Pepperdine School of Law and also has her own law practice, Gragg Law Firm. At her firm, she helps individuals and families maintain and grow their wealth. Her expertise is in estate planning, estate administration, and heirs property. Mavis shares what a lot of prominent black families have to go through when it comes to heirs property, things programs and universities can do to attract more diversity, and her personal experiences as a woman of color that works one-on-one with foresters.
Key Takeaways:
[:55] A message from Leadership Nature.
[1:35] A quick intro about Mavis’s background.
[3:50] How did Mavis get into forestry?
[6:35] Mavis explains what ‘Heirs Property’ truly means.
[7:55] What types of clients does Mavis typically work with?
[9:30] How does land loss and loss of ownership rights happen?
[12:20] Mavis shares an example of how land loss can impact African American families.
[16:15] When did land loss really start to become addressed as a problem?
[21:10] How does Mavis find her clients and educate the general public about the work that she does?
[23:15] What’s the most fun/rewarding aspects about this job?
[26:15] What career advice would Mavis give about natural resources?
[30:45] Over the years, what has Mavis learned about leadership?
[34:15] Life does gets busy, but do not neglect yourself. Mavis emphasizes why it’s important to practice self-care.
[34:55] What kind of mentors has Mavis had over the years?
[39:45] Mavis shares some of her personal experiences of being in the workforce as a woman of color.
[41:30] People of color have a strong distrust towards the legal profession, even if the professional is someone of color.
[45:25] Mavis shares what’s it like working with foresters and other professionals in this field.
[48:25] What can the profession as a whole do to better attract people of color into the industry?
[56:50] Find out who the leaders of your community are and connect with them.
Mentioned in This Episode:
Manrrs.org
Gragglawfirm.com
How Not to Save the World by Jessica Yinka Thomas
Terry Baker is the Deputy Forest Supervisor for the Arapaho and Roosevelt National Forests and Pawnee National Grassland in Colorado. This is Terry’s second guest appearance on the podcast and he is the first guest to kick off season five of Leadership Nature. Today’s topic dives into people of color working in forestry, what the industry needs to do to better attract a diverse set of people, and so much more!
Key Takeaways:
[:55] A message from Leadership Nature.
[1:40] A quick intro about Terry’s background.
[3:15] How did Terry get into forestry?
[13:15] Terry is so glad that forestry found him. He had no idea that this was — and could be — a career path.
[14:30] Terry shares his thoughts on why there is a small representation of people of color in the forestry industry.
[16:15] People of color still have a very negative stigma about doing work outside and ‘in the fields.’
[21:40] What has Terry’s experience been like as a forester, a leader, of color?
[35:00] Unfortunately, many people in the forestry profession do not notice or are aware of how much a person of color has to constantly prove themselves.
[40:10] So many assumptions get thrown around on what’s the ‘right way’ to act towards a person of color, but in the end, we are just people!
[43:25] In order to truly achieve diversification in an agency, we have to be willing to have a dialogue and talk through what’s appropriate and what’s not.
[52:00] What does Terry see the future of forestry going?
[57:50] Terry offers his thoughts on what it means to build a legacy.
Mentioned in This Episode:
Ken Pimlott is the Director of California Department of Forestry and Fire Protection since 2011. Ken began his career as a reserve firefighter with the Contra Costa Fire Protection District. On today’s show, Ken explains why firefighters have to become good leaders, the best ways to navigate a changing workforce, and leadership lessons he wished he learned sooner!
Key Takeaways:
[:55] A message from Leadership Nature.
[1:40] A quick intro about Ken ’s background.
[3:25] How did Ken become interested in forestry?
[5:45] Why is leadership so critical in the fire community?
[9:35] Every firefighter is a leader in their own right. When a fire is happening, you can’t always call base to find out what to do next.
[10:10 What does Ken mean by ‘leader’s intent’?
[11:45] What have been some of Ken’s defining moments that really shaped and modeled him?
[15:15] In today’s climate, Ken has never seen so many people agree and be in alignment about the importance of our forests.
[17:00] What’s it like being the CEO of an agency compared to being in more of a middle management leadership role?
[24:40] What is Ken most proud of in his career?
[27:45] Ken shares what he wished he learned sooner about leadership.
[31:00] How does Ken manage and work with the younger generation?
[34:50] How can someone be successful in their career?
[38:15] Don’t be afraid to take action.
Mentioned in This Episode:
The Last Stand of the Tin Can Sailors Book, by James D. Hornfischer
Scott Phillips is the State Forester for South Carolina’s Forestry Commission. As agency head, Scott provides oversight for all functions of the agency and works with a nine-member board to set agency policy and direction. Scott first got his start in 1999 as a Forester. On today’s show, Scott shares timeless wisdom about leadership and highly recommends for a young professional to attend a fire program to build key leadership skills. There is always an opportunity to lead up!
Key Takeaways:
[:55] A message from Leadership Nature.
[1:40] A quick intro about Scott’s background.
[3:20] How did Scott become interested in forestry?
[9:20] What did Scott’s first job look like?
[14:50] Scott sees it as a blessing being able to work in forestry every day.
[15:25] What was Scott’s first leadership position?
[19:00] You learn a lot about leadership when you’re in a fire program.
[22:05] If you stick with the status quo, you’re going to fall behind the curve.
[23:35] Scott shares what the South Carolina Forest Service is currently working on.
[30:10] The Forest Service recently celebrated their 90th anniversary.
[35:10] How does leadership change at this level?
[40:45] As a leader, don’t be so quick to speak up. It can quickly squash conversation, which can take away the power from your team.
[44:55] If you really want to make an impact, you gotta be able to communicate and listen.
[47:45] If your team is not performing to your expectations, then you’re doing something wrong.
Mentioned in This Episode:
Harvard Business Review Podcast
Extreme Ownership: How U.S. Navy SEALs Lead and Win, by Jocko Willink and Leif Babin
Brian Cottam is the Utah State Forester and Director of the Utah Division of Forestry, Fire, and State Lands. Brian is also responsible for wildfire management on state and private lands and oversees Utah State’s sovereign lands. On the show, Brian shares what he is most proud of in his career, how young professionals can get ahead by taking an interest in soft skills, and how to best manage the complex ‘ego-system’ at work.
Key Takeaways:
[:55] A message from Leadership Nature.
[1:35] A quick intro about Brian’s background.
[3:25] How did Brian become interested in forestry?
[5:50] What were some of Brian’s favorite jobs?
[9:10] You can’t be successful alone, you can only be successful through partnerships.
[10:35] Unfortunately, not enough people have the correct understanding of what it truly means to collaborate with others.
[13:45] What is unique about Utah’s ecosystem and forests?
[16:55] What kind of leadership positions has Brian had over the years?
[21:15] Most foresters aren’t trained to manage people, so it’s important to bring your team with you on the leadership journey.
[21:35] What is Brian most proud of?
[26:15] Brian was not aware of how political you have to be at the state forester level when he first took on the position.
[28:15] What does Brian wish he’d learned sooner about leadership?
[34:40] Brian discusses what he loves about working with the younger generation.
[38:00] What advice does Brian have for the young professionals out there?
[46:30] What other lessons has Brian learned throughout the years?
Mentioned in This Episode:
Tom Boggus is the State Forester of Texas and the Director of Texas A&M Forest Service. Tom has worked for the State of Texas since 1980 and has been the State Forester since 2010. During this time, Tom oversaw and led the response team during the worst wildfire season in Texas history. Find out more about Tom’s extensive career and his leadership principles on this week’s episode!
Key Takeaways:
[:55] A message from Leadership Nature.
[1:35] A quick intro about Tom’s background.
[3:40] How did Tom become interested in forestry?
[7:35] What was it like when Tom was in the forest service during one of the worst wildfire seasons in Texas history?
[10:50] What was Tom’s first job like?
[14:25] If you don’t know how to deal with or communicate with people, then you will not be successful in forestry.
[16:35] Tom shares what makes the Texas Forest Service unique and some of the landscape differences compared to other states.
[22:15] What was Tom’s first leadership position like?
[27:25] People aren’t going to respect a leader purely by the title. Leaders have to earn it.
[34:15] Mistakes are one thing, just don’t make a habit of repeating the course.
[34:55] What’s it like leading on the State Forester level?
[45:55] What does Tom wished he learned sooner in his career?
[49:35] What advice does Tom giver his new employees?
[53:45] The future is bright for forestry!
[58:55] You have to dream, but more importantly, you have to believe in the dream.
Mentioned in This Episode:
A Passion for Leadership by Robert Gates
Larry Kotchman has been the State Forester of North Dakota for the last 31 years; he is currently the longest active serving State Forester. As State Forester, Larry is responsible for the administration of the North Dakota Forest Service, managing the agency's $50 million budget, and directing statewide forestry services through three leadership teams. On today’s show, Larry discusses why building relationships and trust is a continuous process, leadership lessons he wished he’d learned sooner, and so much more!
Key Takeaways:
[:55] A message from Leadership Nature.
[1:35] A quick intro about Larry’s background.
[3:15] How did Larry become interested in forestry?
[6:15] What types of mentors has Larry had over the years?
[9:30] Larry shares what his first formal leadership job was like.
[12:25] As a State Forester, how is the leadership different compared to a more frontline manager?
[17:35] What was Larry’s experience like at Harvard? How does the executive fellow program on leadership work?
[19:50] What is like being the State Forester for North Dakota and what exciting programs are up ahead for the state?
[22:05] What’s the hardest part of being a leader?
[25:10] As a leader, it’s important to not only lead but to also shape the environment you’re in so that your team remains calm and has the confidence to excel at their tasks.
[27:20] What does Larry mean when he says that formal authority has its limitations?
[29:55] When making a transition to a different level of leadership, what are some of the best things you can do to handle that transition with your colleagues?
[32:05] What did Larry wish he’d learned sooner about leadership?
[38:25] Learning how to communicate effectively is a highly sought-after skill.
[42:25] Larry shares his thoughts about the future of forestry.
[47:25] Larry recommends reading the book, A Sand County Almanac!
Mentioned in This Episode:
A Sand County Almanac (Outdoor Essays & Reflections) by Aldo Leopold
Kacey KC is currently the State Forester & Fire Warren for the Nevada Division of Forestry. She is a Nevada Native and she earned her Bachelor's degree in Forestry and Natural Resource Conservation from the University of Montana. She spent some time overseas with the Peace Corps as a community forester in Nepal. On today’s show, Kacey discusses some of the challenges of working between both state and federal governments, some amazing projects happening at the Nevada division, and shares why she recommends young adults to join the Peace Corps.
Key Takeaways:
[:55] A message from Leadership Nature.
[1:35] A quick intro about Kacey’s background.
[3:30] How did Kacey become interested in forestry?
[5:10] What made Kacey decide to join the Peace Corps and what was that experience like?
[10:35] Kacey shares her story of how she helped the Nepalese overcome certain challenges with their forests.
[13:55] Kacey's transition back home from Nepal was difficult to get accustomed to.
[16:55] What kinds of fun or memorable jobs has Kacey had before she become State Forester?
[19:50] What is Kacey most proud of in her Nevada division?
[23:55] Kacey discusses some of the challenges of working with the state and federal government.
[29:50] Who have been some of Kacey’s mentors?
[33:05] What advice does Kacey have for young professionals?
[37:20] Failure is the best teacher.
[42:35] Kacey recommends the book, Extreme Ownership.
[45:00] As leaders, it’s important to just be honest and straightforward.
Mentioned in This Episode:
Extreme Ownership: How U.S. Navy SEALs Lead and Win by Jocko Willink and Leif Babin
Barry Cook is a West Virginia native, a military veteran, and has been a seasoned forester for the last 45 years. Barry began his career as a logging superintendent and has slowly risen the ranks since then, starting his own company in 2005. He currently serves as the Director and State Forester of the West Virginia Division of Forestry. On the show, Barry shares lessons he learned as an impatient manager, the types of projects he’s working on for the State and encourages young professionals to become bilingual.
Key Takeaways:
[:55] A message from Leadership Nature.
[1:40] A quick intro about Barry’s background.
[3:20] How did Barry become interested in forestry?
[5:05] When Barry was growing up in West Virginia, there was no game around where he lived. Why was that?
[9:00] How did Barry get his first job in forestry?
[11:45] Barry has never hired someone off the internet. He believes in face-to-face interactions.
[12:55] What have been some of the more interesting jobs Barry has had over the years?
[20:20] As Barry works with a lot of corporate and private sectors, does it make the work that he does more or less challenging as a State Forester?
[24:45] Barry discusses some new and exciting projects that are happening in West Virginia right now.
[28:05] What does Barry wish he’d learned sooner in his career?
[33:25] Barry highly recommends that young managers take professional management training. There are a lot of restrictions on what you can and can’t do these days; having someone by your side will help you not to get in trouble.
[35:30] What advice does Barry have for retaining new talent?
[40:55] Barry shares his thoughts and resources for those just entering the workforce.
[44:15] Barry recommends two books!
[50:00] You don’t have to know everything to move into a new position.
Mentioned in This Episode:
Peter Church is the Director of Forest Stewardship for Massachusetts Department of Conservation and Recreation, where he oversees the agency’s statewide forest conservation program and the implementation of a new strategic direction for the Bureau of Forest Fire Control and Forestry. Peter has over 29 years of experience and shares key examples of what he wished he had learned sooner about leadership. Do not miss Peter’s insight on the importance of the work we do as foresters, why we need to get better at communication to the public, and so much more!
Key Takeaways:
[:55] A message from Leadership Nature.
[1:35] A quick intro about Peter’s background.
[2:45] How did Peter become interested in forestry?
[6:15] What was Peter’s school experience like?
[10:25] Peter discusses how he overcame his fear of public speaking.
[11:35] What was Peter’s first management position like?
[12:10] Peter discusses some leadership lessons he wished he’d learned sooner while he was managing a team of 75 park rangers at once.
[13:50] What’s it like managing people at the State Forester level?
[15:50] Peter shares some exciting new projects the department is taking on.
[18:00] What types of mentors has Peter had over the years?
[22:30] What kinds of challenges has Peter faced as a leader?
[25:00] Remember, you’re going to make mistakes!
[25:10] Peter discusses what he likes about the newer generation coming into the workforce.
[27:35] Peter offers some advice for those thinking about forestry or currently in school for it.
[30:25] How can people learn how to become a better leader? What resources does Peter recommend?
Mentioned in This Episode:
Soul of the Lion: A Biography of General Joshua L. Chamberlain, by Willard M. Wallace
Brad Simpkins is the Director and State Forester of the New Hampshire Division of Forests and Lands. He is responsible for forestry, forest management, and forest lands. Brad has worked for the division since 1998 and became the State Forester when he was 35. On the show, Brad discusses the beautiful and diverse wildlands of New Hampshire, how leadership is different on the State Forester level, and why he loves working with the younger generation.
Key Takeaways:
[:55] A message from Leadership Nature.
[1:35] A quick intro about Brad’s background.
[2:50] How did Brad become interested in forestry?
[5:05] What has Brad’s experience been like while working with the younger generation?
[10:00] After school, what were some of the first forestry jobs he took on?
[12:55] What types of wildland does New Hampshire have?
[15:05] What was the transition like from being more of an employee to a manager?
[18:00] Brad discusses how his team reacted to him when he first became a supervisor.
[20:20] How long does it really take for a person to settle into a new role?
[21:25] What job has been the most fun for Brad to do so far?
[25:10] Brad discusses some of the new projects being added to the New Hampshire. Division of Forests and Lands.
[30:55] Brad works a lot with the state’s legislators and representatives to help keep them informed about what goes on in forestry.
[32:55] Brad discusses the leadership differences between being a manager vs. being a state forester.
[39:45] What does Brad love about working with the next generation?
[44:20] What does the profession need to be better at in order to be prepared for the future?
Mentioned in This Episode:
Crucial Conversations, by Al Switzler, Joseph Grenny, and Ron McMillan
Jim Karels is the Florida State Forester and Director of the Florida Forest Service. Jim is a native of Minnesota and has more than 35 years of experience in wildfire suppression and land management. Also, Jim represents all 50 states on the Wildland Fire Leadership Council, Wildland Fire Executive Council, and the National Association of State Foresters Fire Committee. On today’s show, Jim talks about Florida’s excellent Operation Outdoor Freedom program, the difference in leadership at the state forester level, and so much more!
Key Takeaways:
[:55] A message from Leadership Nature.
[1:40] A quick intro about Jim’s background.
[2:50] How did Jim become interested in forestry?
[4:25] What are some of the benefits of starting out in firefighting?
[5:05] After graduating from university, what was Jim’s first job like?
[7:05] What was the transition like from having to take orders vs. being the one having to give direction?
[10:15] As you move up into leadership positions in forestry, you have to make decisions based off of little to no data. This is a hard transition for a very analytical, data-driven forester.
[11:25] How is leadership different at the state forester level?
[16:15] What has been the most surprising about the state forester role so far?
[17:35] Jim discusses the Operation Outdoor Freedom program and what it is about.
[24:25] When it comes to leadership, what does Jim wish he learned about sooner?
[27:30] What is Jim learning about the younger generation entering into the workforce?
[30:05] Jim offers advice for those young professionals out there!
[32:45] What kind mentors has Jim had in the past?
[35:05] Where is this profession headed and what do professionals need to be aware of?
[38:20] Remember: Lead by example. If your example is not good, then your leadership won’t be either.
Mentioned in This Episode:
Jeff Whitney is currently the Arizona State Forester and Director of Department of Forestry and Fire Management, where he overseas roughly 150 people. Prior to working for the Arizona State, Jeff enjoyed a brief retirement and a 36 year career with the federal government of Natural Resources and Emergency Response. However, Jeff began his career in 1972 as a seasonal firefighter! On the show, Jeff shares his extensive experience with us, how it's really always been about the people, and leadership lessons he wished he knew sooner!
Key Takeaways:
[:55] A message from Leadership Nature.
[1:40] A quick intro about Jeff’s background.
[3:30] How did Jeff become interested in forestry?
[5:25] How did Jeff get started in firefighting?
[8:25] Jeff discusses some of the highlights of his career.
[10:20] Your people skills are as important as your scientific attitude.
[20:40] After 36 years with the federal service, Jeff retired...but not for long. 18 months later, he was back at it again.
[24:35] The longer you spend time in a team, the more resilient you are to deal with the unexpected.
[27:15] What is Jeff the most proud of at the Arizona Department of Forestry and Fire Management?
[34:15] Jeff discusses some of the leadership lessons he's learned over the years.
[36:55] What leadership lessons does Jeff wished he learned sooner?
[39:40] A little bit of humbleness goes a long way in leadership.
[40:00] What is Jeff discovering about working with the next generation?
[42:55] Just starting out in your career? The first thing you gotta do is find your north star!
[50:50] If your hearts right and you're working with the right people on a tough problem, you're going to come out with a decent outcome.
Mentioned in This Episode:
The Five Dysfunctions of a Team: A Leadership Fable by Patrick Lencioni
Larry Biles has a BS in Forestry from the University of Missouri and an MS in Ornamental Horticulture from Kansas State University. Following two years with the U.S. Army, Larry spent eight years as a District Forester at Kansas State University. Today, he has 50 years of experience under his belt and is the State Forester of Kansas. On the show, Larry shares his leadership experience, what it means to be people-oriented, and discusses the benefits of working in urban forestry.
Key Takeaways:
[:55] A message from Leadership Nature.
[1:40] A quick intro about Larry’s background.
[3:45] How did Larry become interested in forestry?
[7:35] What kind of tasks did Larry do when he took his first job in forestry?
[9:25] Over the years, what were some of Larry’s favorite jobs to do?
[11:55] Urban forestry and community forestry are great opportunities for new foresters who may not be thinking about that as a career path.
[16:00] What have been some of the biggest challenges Larry has faced in his career?
[19:40] What are the demographics of Larry’s staff?
[21:00] What does Larry like the most about working with the younger generation?
[22:25] Larry discusses the difference in leadership style when you’re a frontline manager vs. a state forester.
[25:55] What did Larry wish he’d learned sooner about managing people?
[27:25] How does Larry focus on being more people-oriented — as opposed to task-oriented — with his staff?
[30:25] Larry has some advice for young students out there looking to get into forestry.
[34:10] What are some of the best ways to improve your leadership skills?
[37:00] How is the forestry industry changing as a whole and what do foresters need to do to be prepared for the future?
[41:20] Larry talks a little bit about the history of the Kansas Forest Service.
[43:50] How does Larry attract and retain new talent?
Mentioned in This Episode:
David Smith was born and raised in Hawaii and began his career as a biologist in 1983. Today, he is the State Forester and the Forestry and Wildlife Administrator for the Division of Forestry and Wildlife in Hawaii. On today’s show, David talks about the diverse ecosystem of Hawaii, how good leaders talk it out — not shout it out — and to not beat yourself up too much if you get passed up for a promotion.
Key Takeaways:
[:55] A message from Leadership Nature.
[1:40] A quick intro about David’s background.
[2:40] How did David become interested in forestry?
[3:50] What types of jobs have been the most memorable for David?
[6:10] What was David’s first leadership position?
[7:45] David discusses what kinds of things began to change during the leadership position.
[10:05] What is Hawaii’s ecosystem like?
[18:35] What’s David the proudest of?
[27:00] Don’t raise your voice. Talk it out. Most of us have 95% in common.
[31:00] Designing an effective process is crucial. David shares an example of what he means by a ‘good’ process.
[33:35] What advice does David have for younger professionals wanting to get started?
[41:05] How does David attract and retain talent?
[45:25] Don’t get too upset if you’re not moving up quick enough.
Mentioned in This Episode:
Golf Is Not A Game Of Perfect, by Bob Rotella and Robert Cullen
A Pattern Language: Towns, Building, Construction, by Christopher Alexander, Sara Ishikawa, and Murray Silverstein
Gerry Day is the State Forester and Deputy Supervisor for Wildfire for the state of Washington’s Department of Natural Resources, a position he’s held since 2017. Gerry is responsible for forest health and wildland fire programs in the department as well as preparing and suppressing wildfires, fire training, and firefighting aviation operations. Gerry has over 40 years of experience and discusses some of the fantastic leadership opportunities you can have while in firefighting.
Key Takeaways:
[:55] A message from Leadership Nature.
[1:40] A quick intro about Gerry’s background.
[3:00] How did Gerry become interested in forestry?
[5:10] What kind of leadership lessons did Gerry learn about while being a firefighter?
[7:10] What’s the best way for a young professional to become part of the fire community?
[10:05] How did Gerry transition from being a firefighter to where he is today?
[16:35] What was Gerry’s first leadership position like?
[19:40] What does Gerry mean when ‘followship is part of leadership’?
[21:45] Has Gerry noticed a difference in leadership the more senior he has become in his positions and roles?
[26:15] Take a close look at your own biases.
[29:05] Everything is a learning opportunity.
[34:20] When Gerry stepped into a new leadership role in 1996, it took him around 8-10 months before he could fully understand the business. You have to understand the business first before you start shaking things up.
[36:35] What is Gerry most proud of in his current position?
[39:45] Really take a moment and listen to the younger generation or even the newer guys coming in. They have a completely unique perspective.
[43:05] What advice does Gerry have for young professionals?
Mentioned in This Episode:
Gerry Day is the State Forester and Deputy Supervisor for Wildfire for the state of Washington’s Department of Natural Resources, a position he’s held since 2017. Gerry is responsible for forest health and wildland fire programs in the department as well as preparing and suppressing wildfires, fire training, and firefighting aviation operations. Gerry has over 40 years of experience and discusses some of the fantastic leadership opportunities you can have while in firefighting.
Key Takeaways:
[:55] A message from Leadership Nature.
[1:40] A quick intro about Gerry’s background.
[3:00] How did Gerry become interested in forestry?
[5:10] What kind of leadership lessons did Gerry learn about while being a firefighter?
[7:10] What’s the best way for a young professional to become part of the fire community?
[10:05] How did Gerry transition from being a firefighter to where he is today?
[16:35] What was Gerry’s first leadership position like?
[19:40] What does Gerry mean when ‘followship is part of leadership’?
[21:45] Has Gerry noticed a difference in leadership the more senior he has become in his positions and roles?
[26:15] Take a close look at your own biases.
[29:05] Everything is a learning opportunity.
[34:20] When Gerry stepped into a new leadership role in 1996, it took him around 8-10 months before he could fully understand the business. You have to understand the business first before you start shaking things up.
[36:35] What is Gerry most proud of in his current position?
[39:45] Really take a moment and listen to the younger generation or even the newer guys coming in. They have a completely unique perspective.
[43:05] What advice does Gerry have for young professionals?
Mentioned in This Episode:
Joe Fox is the Arkansas State Forester and oversees the Arkansas Forestry Commission, a position he has held since 2012. Joe is a native of Arkansas and worked a family-owned lumber business for over 20 years. He is also the former President of the Arkansas Forestry Association and former Chair of the Arkansas Forestry Commission. Joe is a third-generation forester and on the show, he discusses some of the leadership differences from being a family-owned business to running the Arkansas Forestry Commission, why you can never have too many friends, and so much more!
Key Takeaways:
[:55] A message from Leadership Nature.
[1:35] A quick intro about Joe’s background.
[3:20] How did Joe become interested in forestry?
[6:45] Does Joe recommend that young foresters also get a business education as well?
[8:25] What was Joe’s first job out of forestry school?
[11:00] Joe discusses some of the mentors he has had throughout his career.
[14:45] Why did Joe leave his family’s forestry business and set out on his own?
[19:15] You can never have too many friends! Relationships are still the number one reason people join churches or become foresters.
[25:55] What has Joe learned about leadership while being the CEO of an agency?
[28:55] Plan your work and work your plan.
[29:50] What does Joe wish he learned sooner about leadership?
[30:00] Joe never learned anything while he was talking!
[32:00] What kind of leadership principles would Joe like to convey to the new leaders out there?
[35:10] Remember, words mean things.
[36:45] Joe discusses what he likes about working with the younger generation.
[38:45] What are some of the ways we can attract and retain our young talent?
[41:35] Respect all the different types of people that you come across in your work.
[44:05] Joe recommends reading the book Masters of the Air.
Mentioned in This Episode:
Masters of the Air: America's Bomber Boys Who Fought the Air War Against Nazi Germany,
by Donald L. Miller
Rick Oates was appointed the State Forester of Alabama in 2017. In his role, he leads the Alabama Forestry Commission, which protects and sustains Alamba’s 203 million acres of forest land and he also helps educate the public about the importance of forestry to the environment and the economy of the state. Rick has over 20 years of forestry experience and on today’s show, he shares some of the challenges of being a state forester in today’s world. Resources are becoming limited, foresters are needed more than ever to find efficient solutions.
Key Takeaways:
[:55] A message from Leadership Nature.
[1:40] A quick intro about Rick ’s background.
[3:00] How did Rick become interested in forestry?
[6:35] What kind of work did Rick do while he was getting his education?
[11:10] Tom tried growing a beard to help himself look older when he was leading his older peers.
[13:05] What has been the most rewarding work Rick has done so far?
[16:45] How is leadership different at the ‘top’ compared to more frontline management?
[19:45] Rick discusses why it’s so critical to have a mentor or somebody to confide in.
[25:35] You will make mistakes. Own up to it and get your team involved to help find new solutions.
[32:00] What has Rick learned so far about the next generation of professionals he’s working with?
[34:00] How does Rick retain and keep young talent in today’s world?
[36:25] What recommendations does Rick have for leadership resources and training?
[38:50] Where does Rick think the future of forestry is headed?
[41:30] Natural resources are going to become more and more limited and we need to find ways to use them most efficiently.
[43:25] Rick has a goal to read a biography about each and everyone of our Presidents and their leadership styles.
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Donald Griego started his career with the New Mexico Forestry Division in 1997 and graduated from New Mexico State University with a B.S. in Wildlife Management. Donald was the State Fire Management Officer and Resource Protection Bureau Chief for 13 years and has held over 11 positions in the 21 years he’s worked in forestry. Today, Donald currently serves as the State Forester of New Mexico.
On the show, Donald shares his diverse experience as a forester and offers advice for young forestry professionals looking to advance their career. His advice is: You can’t always rely on texting to get the job done! Go out there and meet people, shake their hands, and look them in their eye. It goes a long, long way.
Key Takeaways:
[:55] A message from Leadership Nature.
[1:40] A quick intro about Donald’s background.
[2:40] How did Donald become interested in forestry?
[4:05] What was Donald’s first job for the Forest Service like?
[5:10] Donald has been with the Forest Service for 21 years and has held 11 positions. Most new folks coming in only stay around for five years before transitioning into something else.
[6:25] What’s the most challenging/fun job Donald has had so far?
[10:25] How is New Mexico’s terrain different compared to other states?
[11:55] How do leadership responsibilities differ when taking on different management roles?
[13:05] Over the years, Donald has had to learn how to adapt to new technologies in order to communicate with the younger generation.
[14:25] What does Donald wish he’d learned sooner about leadership?
[17:40] What does Donald love about this next generation or two that are coming into the industry?
[18:25] What is Donald most proud of in his career?
[20:00] Get out there and communicate! You can’t always rely on email or texting to get the job done.
[21:15] How can the younger generation build leadership skills?
[24:05] Donald shares some of his mentors that have made an impact on him throughout his career.
[25:45] What are some things the forestry industry can get improve upon?
[28:00] Donald recommends checking out the author Oren Harari!
[29:55] Remember! You can’t do this alone. We need everybody to come together to promote forest health.
Mentioned in This Episode:
Leadership Secrets of Colin Powell, by Oren Harari
Gifts Differing: Understanding Personality Type, by Isabel Briggs Myers and Peter B. Myers
George Geissler is a Certified Forester and has been a member of the Society of American Foresters since 1987. He received his Bachelor of Science degree in Forest Management from Louisiana State University and a Master of Business Administration degree from Harvard University. George currently works as a State Forester and is the Director of the Forestry Services Division in Oklahoma. On today’s show, George offers some words of wisdom on what he wished he had learned sooner in his career, why he decided to get his MBA, and why he loves to hire those who think much differently than he!
Key Takeaways:
[:55] A message from Leadership Nature.
[1:40] A quick intro about George’s background.
[4:10] How did George become interested in forestry?
[6:30] Despite the many years George has been in forestry, he still gets family members not understanding 100% what he does!
[8:50] How does George educate others about Oklahoma’s diverse forestry?
[10:55] What makes Oklahoma’s forest so unique?
[16:25] Why did George decide to get an MBA at Harvard during his forestry career?
[18:50] What is the leadership like on a corporate level?
[23:30] What is the hardest part about having a job like this?
[25:35] You need to look at things with a different perspective and you do that by hiring people who don’t think like you.
[28:20] What is George most proud of in his career?
[34:25] Great communicators are often truly passionate people in what they’re doing.
[35:00] What does George wish he’d learned sooner in his career?
[39:05] What advice does George have for young professional foresters?
[41:40] George and his team make it a priority to maintain and enhance a learning department in their office. Learning never stops.
[43:40] George shares his favorite quote!
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Bob Boyes has dual executive leadership responsibilities with the Ohio Department of Natural Resources. At the department, he works as a State Forester as well as Deputy Director. He is responsible for the Division of Forestry, the Division of Wildlife, the Mineral Resource Management, and the office of Real Estate Land Management. With his extensive leadership experience, Bob offers some key advice on how to be an excellent leader, the differences between being a frontline manager and an executive, and what he looks for in a new hire.
Key Takeaways:
[:55] A message from Leadership Nature.
[1:35] A quick intro about Bob’s background.
[3:00] How did Bob become interested in forestry?
[6:30] What was Bob’s transition like from forester to leader?
[11:05] What’s the difference between being a frontline manager and being an executive?
[13:35] What is Bob the proudest of in his career?
[16:40] How does Bob find his talent? What kind of forester does he look for?
[18:10] Bob discusses the generational differences in the talent pool and what he’s learned from the younger generation so far.
[22:15] What did Bob wish he learned about leadership early on in his career?
[28:15] Once you’ve accepted that everybody’s different, then everything else ends up making sense.
[31:35] What are some of the best ways a new forester can improve their skills?
[33:25] What kind of future challenges do foresters need to be thinking about?
[35:40] Bob recommends reading Shackleton’s Way and The Sociopath Next Door to help better understand people.
[38:55] Bob shares some final words of wisdom: Always retain an open mind!
Mentioned in This Episode:
Shackleton's Way: Leadership Lessons from the Great Antarctic Explorer, by Margot Morrell and Stephanie Capparell
Steve Sinclair is the Director of Forests and State Forester for the Vermont Department of Forest, Parks, and Recreation. Steve has more than 40 years in the industry and has taken on a wide variety of interesting leadership roles since then. On the show, Steve discusses how to lead a productive team, having fun on the job, and finding ways to adapt to new and challenging situations. With Steve’s extensive wisdom and optimism, this is not a show you want to miss!
Key Takeaways:
[:55] A message from Leadership Nature.
[1:35] A quick intro about Steve’s background.
[3:05] How did Steve become interested in forestry?
[5:15] Steve discusses why his father has been a very inspirational mentor to him and how he was so graceful when it came to office politics and conflict resolution.
[7:50] As a forester, it’s so important to become a good listener and to have empathy for others.
[9:20] How are we as a profession doing when it comes to managing the public’s expectations of the resources we have?
[10:00] The definition of a healthy forest is: productive, diverse, complex, and resilient. A leader should also have these same qualities too.
[12:00] Our profession still has a long way to go when it comes to diversity. Why has progress been slow?
[15:00] What kinds of challenges has Steve had when it comes to hiring and acquiring new talent?
[23:15] Steve has taken a wide variety of forestry positions since joining the industry 43 years ago. What have been some of the interesting things he’s seen and done throughout his career so far?
[30:50] What has Steve noticed about leadership based on the various roles he’s taken so far? How does leadership change depending on the position you’re in?
[34:45] Balancing work and your private life is incredibly important in anything you do. When these two things match well, then productivity increases!
[36:05] Steve uses the StrengthsFinder tool to help get the best out of his team.
[38:15] What is Steve most proud of in his career?
[42:20] What did Steve wish he’d learned sooner about his profession?
[45:20] What advice does Steve have for young foresters?
[51:00] Steve highly recommends the book The 7 Habits of Highly Effective People.
[53:45] Do you want to be right or do you want to do the right thing?
Mentioned in This Episode:
The 7 Habits of Highly Effective People, by Stephen R. Covey
Vince Keeler has 15 years of experience as a forester and earned his Bachelor of Science in Environmental Science & Natural Resource Management at Tuskegee University. Vince currently works as the Director of Forestry for the Center for Heirs’ Property Preservation. On the show, Vince explains why it’s important to let your team do what they do best and how sometimes the best way to resolve a disagreement is just by taking a look outside your office walls and going through the forest with your colleague.
Key Takeaways:
[:50] A message from Leadership Nature.
[1:35] A quick intro about Vince’s background.
[2:45] How did Vince become interested in forestry?
[5:25] What was Vince’s first forestry job like?
[8:45] Vince was happy he was fighting wildfires because he was able to move to different states and see more of the U.S. It was very rewarding work.
[10:00] Fast forward seven years later, Vince ended up becoming a Timber Management Officer and oversaw a staff of 13.
[14:05] How can you become a better expert in your field?
[18:00] What does Vince currently do for the Center for Heirs’ Property Preservation?
[20:25] Vince shares a story of how his company helps local families and the community.
[23:30] Vince is looking to hire a forester!
[24:00] What has been the most fun about Vince’s career?
[27:05] What kinds of mentors has Vince had over the years?
[31:45] Older foresters, you gotta take the time to write down your expertise so you can use it to educate others. The knowledge you know will get lost if you don’t.
[33:20] What kinds of things can the forestry profession improve upon?
[37:20] What does Vince wish he’d learned sooner?
[39:00] Vince recommends reading the Bible. So many great lessons and inspiring messages in there.
Mentioned in This Episode:
Email Vince: vkeeler@heirsproperty.org
Brandon Bal is an Area Manager for American Forest Management (AFM) and earned his B.S. at Michigan Tech. Brandon leveraged some of AFM’s programs and was able to further his education online while he was still working. On the show, Brandon explains the benefits of furthering your education online, how to manage and work with older foresters, and the leadership lessons he’s learned from Band of Brothers.
Key Takeaways:
[:55] A message from Leadership Nature.
[1:35] A quick intro about Brandon’s background.
[3:00] How did Brandon become interested in forestry?
[6;40] When Brandon was at American Forest Management (AFM), he was able to take advantage of furthering his education online.
[8:15] What has been the most fun about Brandon’s career so far?
[9:45] Brandon discusses how the most challenging thing that he’s had to face in his career was one of his staff members committing suicide.
[11:30] What kind of leadership lessons has Brandon learned along the way?
[18:00] Getting good at communication is the hardest thing to do, but it’s by far the most important.
[19:00] What kind of mentors has Brandon had over the years?
[21:10] What advice does Brandon have for young professionals?
[23:05] Brandon has had some failures throughout his career. What did he learn about that?
[24:45] Where does Brandon see the forestry profession going in the next couple of years?
[27:15] Brandon recommends reading Band of Brothers for leadership lessons.
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